The search for Thelma's father

Date: [unknown] [unknown]
Location: [unknown]
Surnames/tags: Griffin Noll Wohling

Contents 1 A DNA Story 2 The Case for Maria 'Elisabeth' Wohling 3 The Case for Johann Friedrich 'Wilhelm' NOLL 4 The shared ancestral couple of Elisabeth and Wilhelm 5 Emerging evidence 6 NOTES

A DNA Story

My paternal grandmother Thelma and her sister Minnie grew up not knowing who their fathers were. The family story was that they were two different men, but they had the same mother Edith Griffin.

Thanks to the remarkable world of DNA research I have come to the conclusion that Thelma's father is one of three brothers. I wrote about my DNA journey in the 52 Ancestors challenge in 2018 which you can read about here.

This page is to document the genetic facts supporting the story of identifying Thelma's father (my grandmother in the picture below).

Which Noll is it?

I would dearly loved to hear from any descendants of Minnie to see if we can unearth her story too.

I recently told the story of my DNA journey to discover the answer to the mystery of Thelma's father at a Society of Australian Genealogists Hang Out. You can watch it on 'You Tube'.

'NOTE: This section is still Works in progress'

The Case for Maria 'Elisabeth' Wohling

The mother of the three potential candidates. (Please note: WORKS IN PROGRESS - more triangulated segments are yet to be added to this page. Please contact Veronica Williams for more information.

Triangulated matches:-

• X chromosome, between Veronica Williams, Cousin A (grandson of Otto Noll and Cousin B (granddaughter of Herbert Falting); ‘X’ chromosome, shared overlapping segments of 50.8cMs. Shared ancestors Johann Andreas Wohling and Anna Dorothea Wedding.

• Chromosome 2, between Veronica Williams, Cousin A (grandson of Otto Noll) and PW (granddaughter of Frederick Wohling) triangulated at My Heritage, 7cMs. Shared ancestors Johann Andreas Wohling and Anna Dorothea Wedding.

• Chromosome 10, between Veronica Williams, Cousin A (grandson of Otto Noll) and SB (granddaughter of Gladys JEANES) triangulated at My Heritage, 42cMs, from 45-81. Shared ancestors Johann Andreas Wohling and Anna Dorothea Wedding.

• Chromosome 11, between Veronica Williams, Cousin A (grandson of Otto Noll) and Cousin D (granddaughter of Ivon Wohling, shared overlapping segments of 8.3cMs. Also, on My Heritage a corresponding triangulated segment match between Veronica Williams, Cousin A (grandson of Otto Noll), and PW (granddaughter of Frederick Wohling), 8cMs. Shared ancestors Johann Andreas Wohling and Anna Dorothea Wedding.

• Chromosome 20, between Veronica Williams, Cousin A (grandson of Otto Noll) and PW (granddaughter of Frederick Wohling) triangulated at My Heritage, 14cMs. Shared ancestors Johann Andreas Wohling and Anna Dorothea Wedding.

The Case for Johann Friedrich 'Wilhelm' NOLL

The father of the three potential candidates.

Triangulated matches:-

• Chromosome 5 between Veronica Williams, Cousin A (grandson of Otto Noll) and Cousin C (granddaughter of Johanna Altmann, shared overlapping segments of 11cMs from 153-165. Shared ancestors Johann Christoph NOLL and Anna Maria TELTAU.

Wilhelm and Elisabeth NOLL

You can view a developing chromosome map for my great grandfather on DNA Painter - please click [here].

The shared ancestral couple of Elisabeth and Wilhelm

• Chromosome 16, between Veronica Williams, Cousin A (grandson of Otto Noll) and SB (granddaughter of Gladys JEANES) triangulated at My Heritage, 10cMs, from 13-20. Shared ancestors Johann Frederick NOLL and Maria Elisabeth Wohling.

• AncestryDNA Predicted relationship - 4th Cousins. Confirmed 3C or Half 2C match 2019, 57cMs over 4 segments match between Veronica Williams and WV (grandson of Linda NOLL and great grandson of one of the contenders Fred NOLL). Shared ancestors Johann Friedrich Wilhelm NOLL and Maria Elizabeth WOHLING most likely for 3C relationship. WV also matches his 2C1R Cousin A (grandson of Otto Noll) sharing just 39cMs, however with his 4C LK (great granddaughter of Henry Noll) he shares 95cMs. Henry and Otto being the other two Noll brothers in contention refer Male NOLL.

Emerging evidence

NOTES

This page is currently 'works in progress'

Please do not hesitate to contact Veronica Williams if you are interested in contributing to this study.

The cousin table below summarises the DNA testers and likely relationships included in this analysis.

Tester	Shared ancestors	Descended from	Likely relationship
Cousin A	JFW Noll/Maria Elizabeth Wohling	Otto Noll	Half 1C1R or 2C1R
Cousin B	JA Wohling/Anna Dorothea Wedding	Sophia Wohling	4C
Cousin C	JC Noll/ADME Teltau	August F Noll	4C1R
Cousin D	JA Wohling/Anna Dorothea Wedding	Rudolph Wohling	4C
PW	JA Wohling/AD Wedding	Rudolph Wohling	3C1R
WV	JFW Noll/Maria Elizabeth Wohling	Fred 'Bill' Noll	Half 2C or 3C
SB	JFW Noll/Maria Elizabeth Wohling	Mary Emma Noll	3C
LK	JFW Noll/Maria Elizabeth Wohling	Henry Noll	Half 2C1R or 3C1R
LD	check	check	3C?